Theosophical Sources of David Icke's Reptilian Theory

Although most recently popularized by David Icke, the notions of the connection of a worldwide conspiracy orchestrated by Reptilian beings, like the UFO mythos itself, has its origins in Theosophy, the occult tradition founded by H. P. Blavatsky, godmother of the New Age movement, and pre-eminent personality of the Occult Revival of the late nineteenth century.

Essentially, Icke, like other conspiracy researchers such as Jordan Maxwell, Michael Tsarion, and Acharya S, is an ardent critic of the Illuminati, but presents the myriad speculations of Theosophy as the truth being suppressed. All his main teachings are Theosophical, and therefore identical to those of the Illuminati, which is he is purportedly denouncing.

Benjamin Disraeli

H. P. Blavatskyi

Alice Bailey

Alice Bailey

As revealed in another excellent documentary by Chris White, called David Icke Debunked, Icke claims to be imparted with insights from a spiritual entity named Rakorski, who he also identifies with the name St. Germain, a notorious charlatan who was a key occult figure of the late eighteenth century, and regarded as a spiritual master of Freemasonry.

Rakorski is none other than the “Master Rakoczi” of Alice Bailey, Blavatsky’s leading representative in the twentieth century, whose channeled information not only shaped much of the New Age, but guide many of the programs of the United Nations, which is seen to be the seat of World Government awaited with the coming of the Age of Aquarius. To Baily, Rakoczi is one of the “Ascended Masters” of Theosophy, the “Lord of Civilization,” whose task is the establishment of the new civilization of the Age of Aquarius. Icke calls Rakorski the Lord of All Creation, saying that he is “directly responsible for the changes the earth will undergo.”

The concept of making contact with extra-terrestrial beings begins with the Occult Revival, when it became popular to conduct séances to make contact with lost relatives or long-gone famous personalities. Blavatsky contributed to this trend by claiming to be in contact with a beings she called “Ascended Masters,” who resided in the mystical city of Shambhala of Buddhist legend, led by Sanat Kumara, as King of the World, which she identified with Lucifer and the Fallen Angels. Alice A. Bailey believed that Sanat Kumara came to Earth 18,500,000 years ago from the etheric plane of the planet Venus, accompanied by 30 “Lords of the Flame.”

Guy Ballard

Guy Ballard

Thus the spirit channeling of the Occult Revival became the “UFO” contact of the twentieth century, a mythos that continued to be closely tied with Theosophy. Christopher Partridge wrote that the works of Bailey and Theosophy in general all influenced the so-called “UFO religions.”[1] “UFO religions” are groups which deal with alleged communication between humans and extra-terrestrial beings, and include the Aetherius Society, Church of the SubGenius, Heaven’s Gate, Industrial Church of the New World Comforter, Raëlism and even the Nation of Islam.

Partridge writes that the first UFO religion was the “I AM” Activity, founded by Guy Ballard, in 1930. Almost all communication from his Ascended Masters though came “telepathically,” or by appearing to him from the etheric plane. During his first encounter he met the ascended master St. Germain in a cave underneath Mount Shasta, who showed him a television set that could receive transmissions from the planet Venus. An I AM offshoot was the Church Universal and Triumphant, established in 1958 in Montana and led by Mark Prophet and later by Elizabeth Clare Prophet, where St. Germain was also a central figure. The movement gained media attention in the late 1980s and early 1990s while preparing for potential nuclear disaster.


Mount Shasta

Mount Shasta

Mount Shasta is a volcanic peak in northern California, which has long been rumoured to be inhabited by faeires and Sasquatch figures, known for frequent UFO sightings, and which contributed to the legend of the Reptilians. It was first brought to attention in a novel, A Dweller on Two Planets (1894), in which Frederick Oliver related information he received telepathically from “Phylos the Tibetan.” Oliver’s account, which discussed a hidden citadel of Atlantean Masters within the mountain, became popular with occult and Theosophical communities in America.

Guy Ballard

Spencer Lewis

Spencer Lewis, founder of the Rosicrucian order AMORC (Ancient Mystical Order Rosae Crucis), published Lemuria: The Lost Continent of the Pacific (1931), which claimed Shasta was riddled with caverns in which ancient Lemurian masters preserved their ancient wisdom. According to the ancient manuscripts allegedly in his possession, northern California was once part of Lemuria, a lost continent mentioned in the works of Blavatsky, where Shasta was among the highest mountains in the world, making it an ideal refuge for those seeking to escape the great Flood.

A similar account was also put forward by Maurice Doreal, also known as Claude Doggins—or Dr. Doreal as he preferred to be called. In Denver about 1930, Doreal founded the Brotherhood of the White Temple, the first major occult movement to refer to Shambhala, which to Doreal was an underground city. Doreal claimed that as he was lecturing in Los Angeles in 1931, the year after Ballard’s experiences, he met two Atlanteans who transported him to a gigantic cavern twelve miles beneath Shasta.[2] Fearful of nuclear attack, he relocated the Brotherhood to a rockbound valley west of Sedalia, Colorado, in the late 1940s and early 1950s.

 Maurice Doreal

Maurice Doreal

Doreal was also in part responsible for the dissemination of the theory that linked UFOs to Reptoids. In a pamphlet called Mysteries of the Gobi, Doreal offered a revisionist history of the world, which featured an ancient war between human beings and a “Serpent Race.” The latter, he wrote, had “bodies like man, but... heads... like a great snake and... bodies faintly scaled.” They also possessed hypnotic powers that allowed them to shapeshift into human form.[3]

Similar ideas appeared in a long poem, The Emerald Tablets, reputedly the work of “Thoth, an Atlantean Priest-King.” The work recalls a text by the same title prized by the Arab alchemists of the Middle Ages, who attributed it to an ancient Egyptian sage named Hermes Trismegistus, also identified with the god Thoth. Doreal claimed to have translated the work when he was given the tablets from the Great Pyramid of Egypt in 1925. In his accompanying commentary, Doreal adds a dire political warning about this Serpent Race: “gradually, they and the men who called them took over the control of the nations.”[4]

Robert E. Howard

H. P. Blavatskyi

H. P. Lovecraft

H. P. Lovecraft

These ideas, suggests Barkun, author of A Culture of Conspiracy, may have originated with an obscure pulp fiction author, Robert E. Howard (1906 – 1936). Howard is regarded as the father of the sword and sorcery subgenre and is probably best known for his character Conan the Barbarian. In 1929, Howard published a story in Weird Tales magazine called “The Shadow Kingdom” in which the evil power was the snake-men whose adversary Kull came from Atlantis. These creatures had bodies of men but the heads of serpents, and like Doreal’s Serpent Race, had the capacity to shapeshift into human form. In Howard’s story they were thought to have been destroyed, but returned by insinuating themselves into positions of power.

Howard became a member of “The Lovecraft Circle,” a group of writers all linked to H. P. Lovecraft, who consequently incorporated serpent men into his own work. Lovecraft (1890-1937) was an American author of weird fiction, is best known for his Cthulhu Mythos story cycle and the Necronomicon, a fictional grimoire of magical rites and forbidden lore. Stephen King called Lovecraft “the twentieth century's greatest practitioner of the classic horror tale.”[5]

Lovecraft constantly refers to the “Great Old Ones,” a pantheon of ancient, powerful deities from outer space who once ruled the Earth and founded ancient civilizations and were worshipped as gods. Lovecraft summed up the significance in “The Call of Cthulhu,” wherein a young man discovers the shocking secret of a race of aliens that served as gods to a strange cult:

There had been aeons when other Things ruled on the earth, and They had had great cities. Remains of Them… were still be found as Cyclopean stones on islands in the Pacific. They all died vast epochs of time before men came, but there were arts which could revive Them when the stars had come round again to the right positions in the cycle of eternity. They had, indeed, come themselves from the stars, and brought Their images with Them.[6]

Although Lovecraft referred to Theosophical material as “crap,” he drew inspiration from the Book of Dzyan, which formed the basis of Blavatsky’s The Secret Doctrine, in developing the Cthulhu Mythos’ own account of pre-human or occult texts. Blavatsky claimed to have discovered the book, written in the language of Senzar in Tibet, where it was guarded by an Occult Brotherhood. Lovecraft declared that they “antedate the earth,” in The Diary of Alonzo Typer, in which he transformed Theosophy’s spirit Venusians into aliens who flew across the solar system in space ships to “civilize” planet Earth.

Lovecraft’s The Great Old Ones from the Cthulhu Mythos equate with The Great Old Ones of the Night Time, a phrase which occurs in rituals of the Golden Dawn. Crowley’s disciple Kenneth Grant, head of the Typhonian Ordo Templi Orientis, suggested in his book The Magical Revival (1972) that there was an unconscious connection between Lovecraft and the Golden Dawn’s most notorious member, Aleister Crowley.

 Maurice Doreal

Ernst Dickhoff’s Agharta

Also contributing to the Reptoid theory was the 1951 publication of Robert Ernst Dickhoff’s Agharta, the underground realm of occult legend, closely associated with Shambhala. Dickhoff styled himself the “Sungma Red Lama of the Dordjelutru Lamasery,” though his lamasery was located in his New York City bookshop. Dickhoff referred to The Emerald Tablets, but without mentioning their “translator” Doreal. Dickhoff claims to have studied in Asia, from a Buddhist Lama who told him that the King of the World came from Venus, and initially inhabited a serpentine or reptilian form, but has since transformed into a human one, and asserts that this being is the serpent of the Bible.

In addition, Dickhoff also wrote about humanoid serpent men who came from Venus, who exploited an pre-Flood tunnel system in order to infiltrate and capture Atlantis and Lemuria. Survivors of these sunken continents supposedly escaped to underground hideouts in Agartha and in the Antarctic Rainbow City. Although the serpent men were to have been defeated, they and their agents have infiltrated circles of political authority through their powers of “mind control.” The remaining reptilians lie in polar suspended animation, waiting for the moment to strike.[7]

Guy Ballard

Paul Bennewitz

The belief of reptilian aliens had begun to gain popularity in the 1990s, through the influence of Albuquerque physicist and businessman Paul Bennewitz, who was also involved in the infamous Majestic 12 (or MJ-12) documents hoax, and important contribution to the government “cover-up” myth. MJ-12 was the supposed code name of a secret committee of scientists and government officials formed in 1947 by an executive order of US President Harry S. Truman, purportedly to investigate the recovery of a UFO north of Roswell in 1947.

As revealed by Greg Bishop in Project Beta, the earliest mention of the term “MJ Twelve” surfaced in a US Air Force Teletype message from 1980. Known as the “Project Aquarius” Teletype, it was given to Paul Bennewitz in 1980, by US Air Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI) counterintelligence officer Richard C. Doty. It was part of a disinformation campaign to discredit Bennewitz, who had photographed and recorded electronic data of what he believed to be UFO activity over and nearby Kirtland AFB, a sensitive nuclear facility. Bennewitz reported his findings to officials at Kirtland, including Doty. Later it was discovered the Aquarius document was phony and had been prepared by Doty.[8] As Greg Bishop writes:

Here, near the bottom of this wordy message in late 1980, was the very first time anyone had seen a reference to the idea of a suspected government group called 'MJ Twelve' that controlled UFO information. Of course, no one suspected at the time the colossal role that this idea would play in 1980s and '90s UFOlogy, and it eventually spread beyond its confines to become a cultural mainstay.[9]

What came to be known as the “MJ-12 papers” first appeared on a roll of film in late 1984, in the mailbox of television documentary producer Jaime Shandera, who had been collaborating with Roswell researcher William Moore since 1982. Moore had also been contacted by Doty in 1980, who described himself as representing a shadowy group of 10 military intelligence insiders who claimed to be opposed to the UFO “cover-up.” In January 1981, Doty provided Moore with a copy of the phony Aquarius document with mention of MJ-12. Moore would later claim in 1989 that he began collaborating with AFOSI in spying on fellow researchers such as Bennewitz, and dispensing disinformation ostensibly to gain the trust of the military officers, but in reality to learn whatever truth he could glean about UFOs, and how the military manipulated UFO researchers.

 Maurice Doreal

Richard C. Doty

Moore claims that he tried to push Bennewitz, who had been in a mental health facility on three occasions after suffering severe delusional paranoia, into a mental breakdown by feeding him false information about aliens. Later it would turn out that some of the UFO documents given to Moore were forged by Doty and compatriots, or were retyped and altered from the originals.[10]

However, Bennewitz apparently became convinced he had located a secret alien facility that he called Dulce Base, after intercepting what he thought were electronic communications originating from alien spacecraft located outside of Albuquerque, New Mexico. According to his account, a treaty was brokered between the aliens and the US government, according to which the base was to be operated jointly by the aliens and the CIA. However, treaty violations on the part of the aliens led to open conflict. The aliens are of such power, however, that they cannot be removed.

By 1982, Bennewitz had begun to spread his ideas about the Dulce base to others in the ufology community. Bennewitz wrote Project Beta in 1988, which was mostly concerned with how the base might be successfully attacked. In 1988, William F. Hamilton III and Jason Bishop III both visited Dulce and wrote extensively about the base. Hamilton described the aliens as “small humanoid beings [that] may belong to the class we know as Reptilia rather than Mammalia.” Bishop called them “descendent [sic] from a Reptilian Humanoid Specie.”[11] Thomas Edwin Costello, who claimed he had been a security guard at Dulce, called the aliens at Dulce “reptilian humanoids.”

Dulce Base

Dulce Base

As Barkun also noted, the area had already attracted the attention of people interested in the paranormal. The Colorado-New Mexico border region had emerged as one of the major sites for the cattle-mutilation stories then current in the West. Dulce is also only about 150 miles from the Baca ranch in the San Luis Valley of southern Colorado, owned by Maurice Strong, which is one of the areas of most intense paranormal activity in the US. Strong, who has been heralded as the “indispensable man” at the center of the U.N.’s global power, is also the Finance Director of the Lindisfarne Center. According to the authors of Dope Inc, Strong is also a top operative for British Intelligence and controls the Order of the Golden Dawn, which is now an international drug ring.[12]

The San Luis Valley and northern New Mexico also happen to be regions where there has been discovered a tradition of secret Jews, descended from Spanish Marranos, and still secretly Catholic.[13] This may suggest a Kabbalistic and perhaps Sabbatean origin of the paranormal phenomena.

 Maurice Doreal

Maurice Strong

The modern history of unexplained occurrences at Baca began in the 1950s when green fireballs were reportedly seen by thousands, and even before that were rashes of “UFOs” that sound like what the Natives called “spirit lights.” So frequent are such reports in the valley that a UFO “watchtower” was erected. “From the fall of 1966 through the spring of 1970 there were hundreds of unidentified flying object sightings and many of the first documented cases of unusual animal deaths ever reported,” notes Christopher Obrien, in The Mysterious Valley, a website dedicated to a study of the strange occurrences and sightings in the region. According to Obrien, “During peak ‘UFO’ sighting waves in the late 1960s dozens of cars would literally ‘line the roads’ watching the amazing aerial displays of unknown lights as they cavorted around the sky above the Great Sand Dunes/Dry Lakes area.”[14]

A mystic had informed Strong and his wife Hanna that the ranch, which they call “the Baca,” “would become the center for a new planetary order which would evolve from the economic collapse and environmental catastrophes that would sweep the globe in the years to come.” The first groups to join the Strongs in setting up operations at the site were the Aspen Institute and the Lindisfarne Association. The Baca is replete with monasteries, and Ashram, Vedic temple, Native American shamans, Hindu temple, ziggurat, and subterranean Zen Buddhist center. Shirley MacLaine’s astrologer told her to move to the Baca. Another of Strong’s friends, Najeeb Halaby, a CFR member, former chairman of Pan American, and father of the Queen of Jordan, wife to Freemason King Hussein, has built an Islamic ziggurat at the Baca. Apparently, the Kissingers, the Rockefellers, the McNamaras, the Rothschilds also make their pilgrimage to the Baca.[15]

The Illuminati, to Icke, are descended from ETs, called the Babylonian Brotherhood, reptilian humanoid beings from the constellation Draco, who live in tunnels and caverns inside the earth. In his book on the reptilians, Children of the Matrix, Icke also made extensive use of Maurice Doreal’s translation of the so-called Emerald Tablets, where he presented dire political warnings about a Serpent Race. According to Icke, the tablets were found in a Mayan temple where they had been deposited by Egyptian priests. Their supposed author, Thoth, had written them thirty-six thousand years ago in an Atlantean colony in Egypt. Based on the influence of Zecharia Sitchin, Icke argues that the reptilians are the race of gods known as the Anunnaki in the Babylonian creation myth, Enuma Elish.

Arizona Wilder

Arizona Wilder

H. P. Lovecraft

Icke and Swerdlow

One of the main sources for David Icke’s reptilian hypothesis is a woman who goes by the name of Arizona Wilder. But on her Facebook page, she apparently retracted anything she confessed to David Icke, claiming she was deliberately programed for the interview.[16] Another of David Icke's sources for the reptilian theory is Stewart Swerdlow, who claims to have been a victim of a mind control operation at Montauk Point from the age of 14 in the early seventies, when he was one of the so-called "Montauk Boys.” He claims to have personally witnessed Lawrence Gardner, author of Bloodlines of the Holy Grail, and conservative pundit William F. Buckley, shapeshift info reptilian form during human sacrifice rituals.

Swerdlow also claims his great-uncle, Yakov Sverdlov, was the first president of the Soviet Union, and that his grandfather helped found the Communist Party in the United States in the 1930s. To ensure his loyalty to the US government, he says, he was “recruited” for specific government mind-control research, including 13 years at the Montauk Project, which was supposed to have enhanced his natural abilities.[17] Janet Diane Mourglia-Swerdlow, Swerdlow's wife and partner in offering their psychic healing services, "sees and hears frequencies on all levels,” an ability she ascribes of her mix of American Indian and Celtic ancestry, as well as her lineage from Mary Magdalene, which extends back through to the Waldensian heretics.[18]

Icke is a classic example of the Aryan racism that typifies the channeled information of the occult. Icke teaches that Martians came to Earth and founded the Aryan race, which the reptilians used as a vehicle to overtake the planet, and that the Aryans who inhabited Atlantis were blond giants whose skin glowed white. As Atlantis was destroyed, our ultimate objective is to re-attain the powers we once had. According to Icke, we will enter the New Age by rediscovering our hidden psychological potential. Icke said, “Many of you will remember the Atlantean times, you will remember you communicated with, say, dolphins and whales, you understood these sentient creatures, you could levitate, you could manifest things, you could cause spontaneous combustion by not miraculous means at all.”[19]

Icke is gifted with an affable charm that is the key to his popularity, and gives every impression that he is sincere. According to Nicholas Goodrick-Clark, author of Black Sun: Aryan Cults, Esoteric Nazism and the Politics of Identity, “it is clear from Icke’s book that he is a transmitter of this information rather than its originator. …Who is then guiding Icke and his New Age following toward the beliefs of the millenarian-conspiracy cults?”[20] He remarks that recent investigations by Matthew Kalman and John Murray of Open Eye magazine suggest that far-right and neo-Nazi groups are exploiting Icke to penetrate the Green and New Age movements.

In his book The Robots’ Rebellion, Icke praised the popular New Age magazine Nexus, which has been exposed for its far-right links. Although formerly concerned primarily with Green issues and Third World causes, Nexus took up the subject of the U.S. Patriot movement under its new editor Duncan M. Roads. Roads visited Qaddafi in Libya in 1989, and is a close friend of the right-wing Qaddafi supporter and convert to Islam, Robert Pash. In the late 1970s, Pash was the Australian contact for the U.S.-based Aryan Nations and distributed material of the Ku Klux Klan.

As chairman of the Australian Peoples Congress, Pash is also closely involved with the Australian League of Rights, an ultra-right anti-Semitic organization. Among Pash’s other introductions to Libya is John Bennett, president of the Australian Civil Liberties Union, and an associate of Holocaust denier David Irving and Willis Carto. Bennet serves on the editorial committee of Carto's Journal of Historical Review. Nexus’ British agent is also an admirer of David Irving and Holocaust denier.[21]

The London-based New Age magazine Rainbow Ark maintains an influential relationship with Icke, printing excerpts of his work and helping to organize his lectures and meetings. The magazine betrays a wide range of far-right links. In particular is Donald Martin, the anti-Semitic publisher of Bloomfield Books, who is the leader of the British League of Rights. Donald Martin represents the Australian League of Rights that Robert Pash is involved in. Martin has also run the ultra-right British Federation for European Freedom and the UK arm of the CIA-connected World Anti-Communist League (WACL).

Donald Martin has published in Spearhead, the magazine of John Tyndall, leader of the British National Party, who regards Martin as his ally in opposing immigration. Tyndall, an admirer of Sir Oswald Mosley, founder of the British Union of Fascists, was a former deputy to Colin Jordan of the neo-Nazi National Socialist Movement in the early 1960s, and corresponded with Savitri Devi, a leading figure in esoteric Hitlerism. In 2004, Tyndall joined in signing the New Orleans Protocol, written by David Duke, former Grand Wizard of the KKK.

The editor of Rainbow Ark has steered Icke toward meetings with militant US patriots, and recommended Bloomfield Books. The same editor has hinted at their manipulation of Icke, by suggesting Icke wasn’t “ready for this yet,” referring to a spoof document entitled Further Protocols, outlining plans of “secret Zionism” for the “Goyim.”

Ultimately, David Icke’s message like that of the New Age itself, spells consequences with fascist overtones, foreboding a new holocaust intended for the “fundamentalists” of Islam, Christianity, and Judaism, who refuse to adapt their age-old faiths for the ecumenism of the New Age movement. According to New Age or occult interpretation, the Atlanteans were destroyed because of their transgressions. Likewise, despite their wishy-washy claims of universal brotherhood and tolerance, the New Age warns of a coming confrontation with all those who resist the transformation promised by the Age of Aquarius.

Betraying these same fascist tendencies, according to Alice Bailey, “…let us never forget that its the Life, its purpose and its directed intentional destiny that’s of importance; and also that when a form proves inadequate, or too diseased or too crippled for the expression of that purpose, it is—from the point of view of the Hierarchy—no disaster when that form has to go. Death is not a disaster to be feared; the work of the Destroyer is not really cruel or undesirable… Therefore, there is much destruction permitted by the Custodians of the Plan and much evil turned into good…”[22] 

Similarly, according to David Icke:

I do not seek to hide the severity of this period of fundamental change. It will be tough for every one of us… Many will return to light levels (die) in the wake of the physical events and the quickening vibrations. The Earth Spirit is already rising up the subplanes, and through the years ahead she will progress through the whole frequencies in her journey back to Atlantis and beyond... Those who cannot quicken their own vibrations through love and balance will find themselves out of synchronization with the environment around them. This process is already apparent.[22]


[1] Christopher H. Partridge, UFO Religions. (Routledge, 2003), p. 8–9.

[2] Michael Barkun, A Culture of Conspiracy: Apocalyptic Visions in Contemporary America. (Berkeley, Calif: University of California Press, 2003 2003) p. 115.

[3] Ibid., p. 119.

[4] Barkun, A Culture of Conspiracy, p. 120.

[5] Curt Wohleber, “The Man Who Can Scare Stephen King,” American Heritage Magazine. (December 1995)

[6] Lovecraft, The Best of H.P. Lovecraft: Bloodcurdling Tales of orror and the Macabre, (Del Rey Books. New York, 1982), p. 88.

[7] Barkun, A Culture of Conspiracy, p. 121.

[8] Greg Bishop, Project Beta, 2005, Paraview/ Pocket Books (Simon & Schuster).

[9] Ibid., p 128.

[10] Jerome Clark, Unexplained!—347 strange sightings, incredible occurrences, and puzzling physical phenomena, (Visible Ink Press, 1993), pp. 400, 402-403.

[11] Barkun, A Culture of Conspiracy, p. 119.

[12] Kalimtgis, Goldman & Steinberg, Dope Inc.: Britain's Opium War Against the U.S, p. 25.

[13] Jeff Wheelwright, “The ‘Secret Jews’ of San Luis Valley” Smithsonian magazine (October, 2008).

[14] Christopher O’Brien, “The Mysterious Valley,” <>

[15] “Who is Maurice Strong.” from Donald McAlvany’s Toward a New World Order. <>

[17] Stewart Swerdlow’s personal website, Expansions []

[18] Ibid.

[19] Transcript, David Icke Debunked []

[20] Goodrick-Clarke. Black Sun, p. 292.

[21] Ibid.

[22] Chris White, David Icke Debunked,

[23] Ibid.,



A.S. David I have read 3 of your previous books and the 1st 50 pgs.of Black terror/white soldiers.
I have three questions relating to the research on Abd Wahhab and The Saud family

1. The Hempher Dairy puts the meeting between Abd Wahhab and Hempher at 1713, which would make Abd Wahhab abt 10yrs old. (born 1703/04 ) Histories written abt the Najd by Ibn Ghannaam and Ibn Bashir mention Abd Wahhab leaving Najd at around 1722. What other sources did you use to verify this event occurred?

2. The Al Saud family being Jews . The 2002 Iraqi intelligence report liberally quoted from the Hempher diaries as well as Sheikh Rifat Salim Kabar's The Donmeh Jews and the Origin of the Saudi Wahabis ,and The Jews of Al-Dunamah, by Mustafa Turaan. The Iraqi report and the book authors in my opinion, Obviously had an agenda,
and no substantiating evidence to support this claim. What other reference materials can I find on the subject?

3. I heard you on Red Ice Radio a couple of months ago, and you mentioned That Adajjal is suppose to 1st appear in Damascus,Syria. Like to know which hadith book you referenced that, because I've read it's Isfahan
In Ryyaad us Saluheen and that Nabi Isa (as) appears in Damascus on Yuamah jumaah.

I'm a fan of all ur books, and believe the Saud family in WW I,were the biggest betrayers to the Ummah in it's history,I just need more corroborating evidence abt the jewish question, before I'm willing to speak on it to others. Jazaakulaah Khair for all ur efforts.

Fi Amaanilaah

To be honest, those are as good as my sources get. I've heard about the chronological disparities between the Hempher Memoirs and other accounts of AW's life, but I haven't been able to look into them more closely. It could be the other sources are not accurate, as accounta of AW's life are very sketchy, particularly for early parts of his life, when he wasn't yet regarded as a significant person. But I would look forward to reading any further details you come across.

Similarly, there's only one source that has been translated into the English language about the Jewish ancestry of AW and the House of Saud, and that is Mohammad Sakher's, now on Facebook.

It was important to find that there were other books written in Arabic on the subject, as outlined in the Iraqi intel doc, but not being able to read Arabic, I wasn't able to qualify the quality of those sources. I merely think these issues are an important point of departure, but not necessarily concrete evidence to build a case against the Saudis. Rather, the evidence against them is rock solid with regards to their modern doings. Issues of their Jewish ancestry just suggest a possible deeper level of their connections to the West and to Zionists.

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Assalamu alaykum,

David, as far as I understand, theosophy and hermeticism are two different orders of occultism. Theosophy is primarily signified as sex worship/deviance, with one of its symbols as being the six pointed star representing two interlocking genitals, whereas hermeticism is signified as death worship symbolized by skulls and other such symbols of death. And that when these two sides come to work together, they are much more stronger in their ability to dominate over others.

From what you have made mention here, I remember seeing a clip about David Icke being asked by a woman why he his ex-wife and the new girlfriend were so comfortable with it, and he replied that such notions were created by society. I also noticed the weird creepy looks on the faces of the people cuing up for one of his shows, and one woman came with her baby. It almost looked like those people were paedophiles themselves, or at least very perverted.

If he is one of the main individuals in the conspiracy circle to talk in its earliest days about the paedophilia element. Then there is Alex Jones on the other side of the Atlantic who exposed the Bohemian Grove via undercover video, exposing their 'cremation of Dull Care'. Of course the difference between the two is that Alex is constantly exposing and bad mouthing occultism on air in general. So it is kinda unfortunate that he has not had you on, but then again you are kinda slow when it comes to the mic.

Not quite. Hermeticism is the underlying philosophy of alchemy, and dates back to the first centuries AD, to Alexandria in Egypt. Whereas the Theosophical Society was founded in 1875. I don't know about any relations of Theosophy with sex magic, but it was certainly central to all the secret societies that flourished about that time (Occult Revival) and were connected to it.

But that doesn't necessarily imply that Icke follows them in all aspects. He might not even be aware that his teachings are Theosophy, as pointed out by the great documentary by Chris White, David Icke Debunked.

As for Alex Jones, he's also succumbed to deceptive influences, whether he know s it or not. He's been influenced by the Patiot Movement and the John Birch Sociey, which is a CIA front, to deliberately disseminate "conspiracy theories." All this is detailed in my latest book. And there are other blogs who have exposed him for his other dubious connections.

I'm going to have to both disagree and insist that theosophy with lingum yoni worship and hermeticism of death worship are each the strain of characteristics of the two brothers gog and Magog. It is just that I do not know which gog is the Pigsy sex induced idiot of frolicking fun character (from Monkey Magic) and which is the Sandy, intelligent human eating sea creature with skulls around his neck character out the two brothers of gog Magog. The theosophic order is much older than the actual order and both find themselves in the birth child of gog and Magog known as Inanna as I assume. Alexandria ofcourse is the city built by Plato's first political actor, Alexander the Great. But theosophic types are always one to hide themselves until it only becomes noticable when an entire civilisation displays depraved sexual appitites like that of Sodom & Gomorrah. Sodom and G, as far I can assume came about only with the help of the hermetic types taking over the animals and slaughtering them in such a way that they would release fear induced hormones like what we have in most modern factory slaughterhouses and with captiv bolt or stunning slaughtering methods. Much of which are forced in the European Union against halal and kosher. I have heard how such hormones cause infant male population to grow breasts. In my opinion it would have been easier for the hermetic/sandy types to provide their war cunning and intelligence before the theosophic/pigsy types would be accepted in the upper echilons who were starved of "joy". Call it gog Magog pump and dump. This is exactly what happened after WW1 & 2. The Nazis never stopped, some escaped to south america, others developed bilderberg TTIP EU. Where one pushes for war and supplies the other with widows, the other encourages booms. If I got David Icke right, these were the reptilians. David Icke recently skipped the final part of William Guy Carr's mention of Alfred Pike's three world wars, where the atheists horrid rule is replaced by luciderian light rule. The only problem with mentioning something's and not others leads me to say that the antitheists focus on xian Muslim conflict, and they want an atheist rule. The new agers want to promote astrology, as was expressed by a British MP a week or two ago. Astrology you may know that it is from the help of jinns, and icke calls them reptiles as well. But we who are believers, only focus on God and only praise and thank him. And the believers get to rule at the end of this. I have a concern that if Icke focuses too much on reptiles and light illusion, he will be stuck worshipping them and be fooled by messiahs arrival to heal the political mess.

I can't comment on what may have been going on in the early days of The Theosophical Society, however I was a member in the 1980's for many years, attended about three time a week which involved lectures, discussion, study groups and short group meditations. I can say from my experience that this organisation was not about sex magic, any magic, and or any rituals, in fact I would say most of those attending were either in monogomous relationships or were celibate. Most members were also vegetarian and animal lovers and would not hurt a fly (literally). I also worked in the Theosophical bookshop for four years. The people involved in the society (at this time) were the most moral people you could hope to meet. There were absolutely no rituals of any kind going on. I was also regularly invited to the main centre (home/ashram) so I was connected with the 'inner circle'. Nothing going on here!

Like most here, now I am also trying to research the connections between The Theosophical Society and all that is going on in the world now relating to the illuminati etc. It just all seems full of contradictions, however I can assure everyone that in Sydney Australia, at least, there was no sexual magic, sexual ritual, (or even sex!!!) going on with the TS members - most were celibate!

Great write up, but considering you mentioned Chris Whites video on Icke I was surprised you didn't mention Brian Desboro (that spelling may be off), who was one of two people that Ickes biggest secret is dedicated to, Ickes "American Scientist Friend." According to Ivan Fraser the books other dedicatee Desboro is the one who introduced Wilder and gave primacy and spotlight to a lot of the Reptilian business, which caused Fraser to speak out . Fraser also states that he got a lot of his ancient history Aryansim that he parrots from Desboro in addition to, as Chris White says, completely plagiarizing his entire 9/11 book from Desboro.

I haven't followed Icke for years, but I did until I began to understand the significance of Occult researchers and their dominance of the truth movement. It seems like ages ago now, so I don't know what ever became of Desboro our who he was etc, but he seems to have had an enormous effect on Ickes work.

I've read several David Icke's books, and none of them have anti-Semitic statements. He states that ALL religions are institutions of control, and they manipulate their followers.
Probably he is accused of being anti-Semitic because he exposes that Israel is controlled by Zionism and what is happening in Palestine is genocide and apartheid.
He considers that Jewish people have been victims of the Zionist agenda.

Also, he is not a supporter of the Green agenda neither of the New Age movement. He is a strong critic of both concepts.
He defines the left and right ideas as "oppo-same."

I believe he is successful because he is consistent with his message, however he was very much ridicule at the beginning of his journey.

This article was not about attacking the man David Icker, but his ideas and their sources. I share the sentiments of Chris White, the maker of David Icke Debunked, that Icke is not aware of the agenda he is falling into, and hope he is a better man.

No one said that Icke was anti-Semitic. I said his ideas have anti-Semitic overtones, and all the sources of his ideas are defenitely anti-Semitic, whether he knows it or not.

Long story short, by pronouncing all the same hokey New Age ideas about "love" and "vibrations,"in the wrong context, Icke is actually preaching a Luciferian agenda, and promoting the same Illuminati project he believes he's denouncing. Don't fall for the same.

Madame Blavatsky was an Adoptive Rite Freemason, there is a great deal of information regarding connections between Freemasonry, Theosophy & the New Age Movement. Would also point out the connections between Freemasonry & the CIA. Plus many splinter religions/cults formed by Masons such as, the Morman, Jehovahs Witnesses, 7th day adventists, Christian Science, Church of Satan & so on. There are a great deal of lesser known religions & cults that have popped up worldwide over the last few centuries, that show sections of their doctrines & symbols, adapted to local preferences. Also noticed a great deal of Theosophical & Freemasonic doctrines in the 'work' of Jose Arguelles coupled the hoax like interpretations of mayan culture, again, part of the NAM, with clear ties also to Esalon & the usual suspects. Additionally there are many links between other movements such as 'psychiatry' that involve a number of Freemasonic & such figureheads (Freud for example, was B'nai Brith, Talmudic Illuminists). Key figures in this field alone, in the 20th century often had secret society or secret service backgrounds. Look at the history of who formed the 'sports' we have today, who established the universities (such as Yale), the key figures in the establishment of what some deem 'scientism'...

It is clear there are many set up in many fields as controlled opposition & some quite innocently disseminating disinformation (fell into that trap myself). The networks & methods of manipulation are extensive & decidedly machiavellian. It is for consideration that the control systems of belief structures are intertwined with elitist hierarchical patriarchal dominion.
The ancient 'mystery schools' & cultures (often lauded by naive dupes), have far more bloody brutal oppressive realities.
There are some that figure negative entities or influences drive such from ancient times. Considering the vested interests of much metaphysical theory, can lead to a place of considering all of these structures to be purposefully flawed, & not to be accepted at surface value or trusted.
Having had first hand temporal & occult targeting experience, leads me to mention that such DOES exist & that there is an elaborate project of misleading efforts, in how such works (bringing to mind the quagmire of the same way some metaphysical new age ideas are cover ups for military technology &/or occult activity, of which it can be difficult to tell the difference between). Though precisely how the picture really is in this arena, is one of the great enduring mysteries.
Telepathy exists. That some would suggest paranormal or psi activity is simply a result of latent reactionary psychic activity emanating from the individual, is dubious. Such dogmatism can be used to shut down debate on the details (hidden) on this & related topics & other less familiar influences & factors that may be at play.

Those who step into the ring of digging through all this, face very real attention from all sorts of quarters. There are many traps & at this point, anyone with support in the public eye, is likely there, because someone paid for them to be there. Such are likely manipulated, or forced to toe a line, or face the consequences.
It only takes some dedicated examination to see this pattern, in the world of appearances. Conspiracies are without a doubt rife & a natural consequence of the centralisation & consolidation of authoritarian power groups. Dominant global systems are based on theft, exploitation & slavery. Add to that, big money in Black Projects around the world... & all the details that we are not able to get a hold of, that are not purposefully 'leaked'.....

David Icke is running a cult, paste this link into a Google browser to see more....

You Dumb nitwits. None of you get the message of Thrive, or David Icke, Reptillians or not. The core of the issue revolves about free energy.
That to me anyways is what its all about.

Now if you do some research then you should be able to find that at least 70 different patents from different parties all pertaining to "free energy devices" has been suppressed by the powers that be.

We are simply seeking change !

Sorry, but the people who know what's going on are Luciferians, Satanists, Complicated-occultists who study the kaballah and thelema.  Theosophists are a bunch of new-age idiots.  Dark occultists in the late 19th centrury wanted everyone in the new age to worship the same stupidity-religion and created a religion based on the sign of Aquarius - all the while knowing full well that we're in the age of leo.  Theosophy is a peasant-religion for the new age that likes to morph into fake-rosicurcianism, fake-co-freemasonry, etc.  Just like I'm sure dark-occultists started the Vatican and wanted the masses in the West to all be Christians while the insiders worshipped the opposite sign with opposite ethics.  Icke has become way to famous to have been just another new-age-dupe.

"Church of the SubGenius"


And I was almost impressed with your be to Bob!

that David Icke mentioned your work in his book The David Icke Guide to the Global Conspiracy (And How to End It). ? He's got a new book out right now : Phantom Self. I haven't read it yet. But I did read his last one, The Perception Deception. He still talks about the consciousness we have to open to and other New Age stuff, but he doens't talk about reptilians anymore. He writes now about gnostic archons and the crazy demiurge, just like John Lamb Lash does. Greetings, L.



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